Great change, but does not go far enough. Please continue to make FW mean "Factional Warfare", not "Farming World".

To those who think PvPers have no right to be upset about FW farming: FW is advertised and intended as a semi-organized system for sovereignty-like PvP, with incentives for smaller fights in smaller ships. It's an admirable vision.

It is not what actually happens, though. Instead, who are the biggest "participants"? People who do not fight, and often do not even have the ability to fight. How are they so active in this "war"? By orbiting buttons and running away. Cloaks are part of this, but not the entirety. As long as FW pays out in full to people who refuse to fight, the problem will persist -- regardless of modules or ships.

So I'm just butthurt and like "telling people how to play" right? Wrong. These "farm and run" mechanics are actively hurting PvP in faction warfare. The prevalence of farmers makes looking for a fight a prolonged sequence of chasing red herring after red herring. PvPers use (or, want to use) the complexes as fight "arenas", nexuses for finding fights. We most often have no interest in boring ourselves to death capturing the complex, or in chasing after farmers.

When I'm in a Rifter and see another Rifter on d-scan in a plex, I get excited for a good fight. I warp there, activate the gate, get ready... and he runs away. I go to the next system. Same thing happens there. Next system, again. Then again several times more. This experience makes fighting in a system indended to promote fighting extremely frustrating. Yes, I can fit more scrams to catch farmers, but why would I want to? Those fights are not fun, and using that kind of fit makes many regular fights impossible too. Again, the problem is not that farmers are hard to catch. The problem is that they are there in the first place, providing the illusion of an upcoming fight, leading to an extremely unsatisfying rollercoaster of unfulfilled adrenaline and excitement.

On top of that, "farming" taking center stage in a "warfare" system over "fighting" is just misleading and wrong.

These are not fun mechanics. It's not cloaks or warp core stabilizers or farmers that are broken. It's the whole system. Please rethink it, CCP.

A step in the right direction: the capture meter degrades to "neutral" when nobody from either side is involved, and degrades at a higher rate when there are non-FW people present.

Why are you obsessed with frigates? A cruiser size hull would be better balanced.

If you're going to create a separate ice mining ship then why aren't you creating separate ships for gas and ore mining? If you're not going to do that then It would make more sense to add an ice mining bonus to this new ship.

...It doesn't sound like you guys have thought this through.

Ok everyone. I've created the FW complex improvements thread in Features and Ideas with details. Please move the FW discussion over to that thread.

All that matters for this thread is that we are not worried that the Prospect will become a balance issue in FW.

Well, actually yes it does surprise me.

I thought CCP cared more about their PAYING customers rather then well established griefers with several alts. The prospect is a big lie and when "the noobs" figure that out CCP will loose income. i. e. IRL income.

so the lack of a drone bay forces a team of prospects to shut down operations in low sec just because some **** in a bomber enters system...